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7/10
Niles-Hirschi is arguing in bad faith
justinbraw22 July 2019
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Just wanted to chime in here 10 years later to point out the blatant bias in another review here about the "facts" he seems to be refuting in this documentary and to call him out on his BS.

"This whole thing is hilarious. Any parent who raises kids who are stupid enough to shoot themselves should be held criminally liable for not educating their kids about something so prevalent in our society."

Of the 5 children showcased in this documentary only two die from accidental shootings; the other three consist of one suicide and two homicides. Of the two accidental shootings, one consisted of kids who were 2 and 3 years old, an age I don't think many children would understand the gravity of the dangers being taught to them. But yes, any parent whose children (or any invited guest within their home for that matter) who has reasonably easy access to their gun and uses it to harm someone should be held criminally liable.

"Full of distortions, irrational appeals to emotions and whatnot."

Possibly distorted. I don't know where the statistics were gathered that in 1995 41% of homes with both guns and children left their guns unlocked. Others don't seem too hard to put 2 and 2 together like every 8 hours an American child commits suicides/It is 5x more likely that a child will take their life if a gun is in the house. If anyone would care to refute those statistics I would like to see them. Any time statistics are involved in any report, it must be taken with a grain of salt since stats can be included or excluded to shape an argument. As for irrational appeals to emotion, I mean, what do you think this documentary should look like...manufacturers showing off the guns they make and how they are designed and FBI officials reading off statistics about gun violence? People relate to human stories and in a documentary about gun deaths, there are going to be emotional stories supporting the film. Every single polarizing political topic in America has emotion tied inherently into it.

"This documentary literally claims more children die from accidental gun wounds in the home every year than did soldiers in the Vietnam war. This is absolutely, totally, blatantly false."

This documentary literally does not claim more children die from accidental gun wounds in the home every year than did soldiers in the Vietnam War. The only statistic in this entire documentary that makes an outright claim of total deaths per any given year is one that states that 3,600 children died from handguns in the year 1994. Using any other statistic in this documentary that could be converted into a yearly statistic only produces one, that every 8 hours a child in America commits suicide. That adds up to 1,095 per year. According to the national archives here...

... the number of American soldier casualties was slightly more than 58,000. Since not all casualties include deaths, removing all other statistics other than those Killed In Action leaves just over 40,000. Dividing that by the 20 years the war took place would give a death rate of 2,000 soldiers per year. If the trend of gun deaths to children were consistent at 3,600 per year, your claim would hold some weight, however, many statistics cite the peak of gun deaths among teens and children to be around 1993, one year before this documentary was filmed. The rate was similar within the previous 10 years but steadily decreases once moving away from the parameters of that decade.



"More kids drown in swimming pools every year than die from gunshots."

Okay? Seems like a nice whataboutism you've got there, as if one problem negates the other. More people die in car accidents than in plane accidents too. So if an airplane falls out of the sky and kills 300 people, we shouldn't try to regulate their safety after the fact? And according to your pool equivalency, the numbers seem eerily similar.

'From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States - about ten deaths per day.1 An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.'

"I might also add, that in the FBI Bureau of Crime statistics, they define ''children'' as ANYBODY YOUNGER THAN 20 Years Old. What does that tell"

That's because they are children. Yeah, you may legally be an adult when you turn 18 but biologically you aren't much different than you were are 17 or even 16. Children's brains aren't fully developed until about 21 or even later. That's one of the biggest reasons that states are obligated to set their drinking age at 21. I went back to college later in life and being surrounded by 18-22 year olds didn't make me feel like I was around adults. Most of them still looked and acted like high schoolers in many ways.

So yeah, whether this doc is biased or not, you are being disingenuous and creating straw man arguments to try and undermine what its argument is.
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7/10
Five Tragic Stories of American Gun Culture
MWNiese4 July 2015
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*******SEVEN OUT OF TEN STARS*******

Vince DiPersio and Bill Guttentag collaborate as a writer/ director team on this poignant 1995 documentary chronicling five tragic stories involving senseless gun violence. From a technical film-making perspective, "5 American Kids" is very well shot, edited, and sound mixed; it's a very well produced documentary! Admittedly, some of the gun statistics are sightly outdated, but that shouldn't be held against the other many merits of this film!

The film is broken down into five utterly devastating stories of senseless gun deaths intertwined with :

1) A toddler shoots his play friend after they stumble upon two guns in the parent's bedroom. It turns out the father didn't properly store the weapons after shooting some gophers weeks earlier 2) A fourteen year old boy commits suicide with his step father's unsecured side arm. His step father was a law enforcer at the time 3) Three teen friends decide to play with one of their parent's unsecured firearms during a football half time show. One of the boys ends up shot to death accidentally 4) A fourteen year old juvenile delinquent guns down a local police officer over a stolen car in small town America 5) A studious 15 year old boy walking to a community Christmas gathering is killed in the cross fire of rival gangs.

The first three stories are dealing with irresponsible gun storage in homes that have children and teens, while the last two stories are addressing the lack of parental upbringing or family values. I would be surprised if the teen in part four or the gang members in part five had any kind of stable father figure. And while it's easy for us to blame the parents in these types of tragedies, it's also important for Americans to ask some important questions about the overwhelming prevalence of gun violence in USA culture.

Rounding out statistics on gun deaths in the US shows us that annually twice as many people die from self inflicted gun fire, opposed to actual homicide related gun deaths. So we're roughly talking about 10,000 homicides and 20,0000 gun related suicides annually. The big issue with gun related suicides is that access to guns allow people to kill themselves in split second decisions of extreme emotion or depression; whereas most other forms of suicide require more planning and forethought. Easy access to firearms is undoubtedly a major contribution to a high American suicide rate; and claiming these poor people would've found a way to kill themselves regardless simply isn't an accurate statement.

Listen, I'm not anti gun per-say, but Americans need to ask themselves why the United States has such an extreme culture of gun violence? Why are we so obsessed with guns? Why are 30,000 gun deaths a year so acceptable to us? Why does a country like Canada, also a heavy gun culture, have a fraction of gun deaths when compared to America? And why the heck are parents so darn irresponsible when it comes to proper gun storage?
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1/10
Laughable documentary
niles-hirschi4 May 2009
This whole thing is hilarious. Any parent who raises kids who are stupid enough to shoot themselves should be held criminally liable for not educating their kids about something so prevalent in our society.

Full of distortions, irrational appeals to emotions and whatnot.

This documentary literally claims more children die from accidental gun wounds in the home every year than did soldiers in the Vietnam war. This is absolutely, totally, blatantly false.

More kids drown in swimming pools every year than die from gunshots.

I might also add, that in the FBI Bureau of Crime statistics, they define ''children'' as ANYBODY YOUNGER THAN 20 Years Old. What does that tell you?
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9/10
Hard truths that gun owners need to see and hear
DebraIonaVogel11 November 2021
These are unhappy, heart-breaking stories that won't change the mind of gun owners or those who abhor them.

We can argue all day about what-ifs, locks and safety measures but it won't help or change the past. People will always be careless and presume something so awful could never happen in their family.

I'm a gun owner, in case you're interested.

Things like this, this documentary, should be required viewing before a buyer can take their gun home.

I don't know why fanatics get so riled up and defensive when shown stories like this. We need to know. Lives are at stake here. There's no room for the cavalier.

My greatest sympathy and condolences to the families in this movie. They were brave to bear their souls and admit their folly.
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1/10
Full of crap
extrazero8828 January 2010
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If you want to watch a movie full of out dated, or just wrong, information about guns then this is the pile of crap for you.

Two of the deaths were the result of morons not keeping their guns away from their children. While also not teaching them how to be responsible around firearms. This movie does not promote responsible gun ownership. It just makes the blank statement "gun are bad".

One was a suicide. Something you don't need a gun for. For a movie that blames guns for societies ills this is a poor example.

Two were about murder. One was of a child and the other a police officer. This was their attempt to persuade the audience into thinking "guns will kill your babies and your lovable police officers". It never goes into why these things happened, only making the BS claim that guns were the only cause.

If you already anti-gun then this movie will make you think your feelings are justified. If your pro-gun then this movie will insult your intelligence.

This movie is just one long emotional argument.
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10/10
Important then and Important Now
katelynpohl14 October 2020
This documentary narrated by Beau Bridges is an important look at incidents that are almost commonplace in homes that own handguns. It gives statistics of the frequency of some of these events. This film was released in 1995 but it is more relevant than ever considering gun violence has only gotten worse. Any negative review of this documentary is probably from a paid NRA spokesperson. I found nothing funny about this film and in fact cried several times. If you are sensitive to death and suicide I would not recommend watching. But I would recommend looking at modern handgun statistics and reading about these true events.
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1/10
Bourgeoisie anti-gun propaganda
roycedavies28 February 2022
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I used to be anti-gun and would have eaten this up back then. I would have used the ridiculousness of each premise to bolster my argument against gun advocates (and looked like an absolute idiot).

Luckily, I've educated myself since then.

I'll use the first case in the documentary as an example. The parents exhibit gross negligence and their kid ends up dead. The parents killed the child by proxy through their inability to even approach the minimum standard of keeping them safe.

I mean, what parent (especially those with young kids) in their right mind keeps two loaded guns in unlocked and easily accessible locations?? But that's not the issue, apparently. The issue is that there were guns. In some way, I guess. Maybe it helps the parents feel better about killing their kid by blaming the gun rather than taking responsibility?

Thus follows a string of bad-faith arguments where guns happened to be the thing that ended life while ignoring the root causes for each death. Numbers are intentionally muddied and each story sensationalized in a way that drives home with a heavy hand the reductive message that "guns can cause death, so guns are bad." Boy, oh boy.

The heteronormative, white-centric, privilege-based idea that "no one needs a gun" is ridiculous and untrue for the vast majority of the world. However, it is absolutely in the interest of those of the ruling class. It makes sense to me that a bourgeoisie organization like Warner Communications would be invested in disarming the proletariat.

But if you oppose guns, this will definitely make you feel better about that stance. Just don't expect it to change anyone's mind.
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10/10
An American Tragedy
fdog99 April 2010
This is an exceptional documentary about 4 children who were killed by handguns and one who murdered a police officer with a gun. Each story involves a weapon in the hands of an immature mind. The stories involve everything from horsing around to suicide and murder. All of the people in the documentary would be alive today if guns were simply regulated more tightly. It is all very tragic and difficult to watch. The parents of these children are all heart broken. It shows the tragic story of what is happening to us because we are bullied by a vocal minority to accept these weapons into our society unregulated. Hopefully someday we can stand up to them.
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8/10
Why!
Christopher-Peznola13 February 2009
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This very simple, truthful series of stories about kids and guns is chilling and drives home such a critical fact. Kids are 5 time more likely to commit violent crime, including suicide, if they live in a house with a gun. So WHY? Why do we have guns? Does the typical American home really need a gun? If for some reason it really does (as in a police officer's home), then it should be locked up and incapable of use by ANYONE but the owner. Why should a police officer's gun work for anyone who holds it in their hand? The answer is IT SHOULDN'T. Let the NRA keep their guns at the range, and they can shoot out as many paper targets as they like, but why, why on earth, should they be able to leave them around, with live loads nearby or in the gun. That should be illegal.

Only 3% of handgun fatalities are justified. 97% are ILLEGAL.

If you MUST play with guns, because you have a small penis, either buy some pills, bet a pump, get surgery or use your gun only at a firing range. Where in America is it prudent to have a gun for self defense? See the statistics about, only 3% turn out to be justified.

God help us from these NRA wackos. Why do they have so much power in the political system? Isn't it time to more closely interpret the 2nd amendment? How about re-writing it? If none of those options work, existing safety features can prevent accidents and other wrongful deaths, and they cost $0.75. I would contribute to a fund, to cover that cost for all of the Cadillac driving gun nuts.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or friend than it is to stop and intruder. Intruders really don't exist, and less than 1/10th of 1% of burglars / intruders are armed in any way, most typically with a baseball bat or other large heavy object.

OK, it's gone on long enough. Since this 1995 movie was released, no major legislation has been introduced to encourage or require safety devices.

This film will make you sick, and then you'll want to do something about it. What can we do? I will participate with my own time and money.
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